Monday, May 11, 2009

The New York Yankees, The New York Mets and the New York Islanders: Same market, different fortunes.

I went and took in a Yankee game on May 1st and could not help marvel at the new Yankee Stadium. The place is truely a sight to behold and a pleasure to watch a game in.

The Great Hall is truly something to behold, especially at night. I think it is safe to say that the New York Yankees are the richest, most successful franchise in baseball and arguable in all of sports worldwide with an estimated value of 1.5 billion dollars.

We all know there is no comparison with NHL teams and MLB teams with the economics of each sport. All of MLB's teams are worth an estimated 18 billion dollars combined. The NHL by comparison its teams are worth an estimated 5.6 billion.

That being said, the Islanders are in the same market than the Yankees. However it isn't fair to compare the two given the Yankees status in the NY sports landscape. After all the Islanders came into the NY sports market second decades after the NY Rangers.

That's eerily similar to the NY Mets. The Mets and the Islanders have a lot in common. They are viewed as the "secondary" NY franchises to the Yankees and Rangers.

The Mets are worth 900 Million dollars and are the 3rd most valuable franchise in baseball.

That's a pretty good 2nd fiddle there wouldnt you say?

The NY Rangers are the 2nd highest valued team at 414 million.

The NY Islanders the 29th most valuable franchise in the NHL.

So what gives?

The economics of the two sports aside the Islanders are a victim of two main problems and the biggest problems are not what you may think so lets rule the obvious out first.

As bad as the Nassau Coliseum is you can't blame the arena for the value of the team. While it certainly doesn't help it stands as far from the prime reason.

Take a look at the stadiums the Yankees and Mets have been playing in up until this season. Shea Stadium and Yankee Stadium were far past their primes 15 years ago and two facilities that both fans and the tenants viewed as far inferior to what was being built around the league over the last 10 years.

No one will say that Madison Square Garden is a great arena.

In spite of that, the Yankees, Mets and Rangers multiplied in value over the last 10 years.

Lets look at those two main reasons a little closer.

1 - Stable Ownership. Go ahead. Admit it. The Wilpons, Dolans and Stienbrenners are three of the best owners in sports. They spend money, the make money they sell tickets and players will play there.

But Shea and Yankee Stadiums as well as the Garden are such old decrepit places to play.

Do you think Carlos Beltran or Pedro Martinez cared about the Shea facilities when they signed those mammoth contracts? Players care about two things. Winning and Money and some not necessarily in that order.

Do you think Scott Gomez and Chris Drury cared about the arena when they signed with the Rangers?

How about A Rod? Giambi? Damon? Think they were worried about playing in that old ball park?

No its all about the money and winning people. Franchises have shown that they can win and build winners without spending like a drunken prom queen but there is always a few players of a high dollar amount kicking around on these winning franchises.

If the Islanders were so inclined, they could go out and offer Marian Hossa and Marian Gaborik a boatload of cash this summer and get both of them. The problem is they cant or a better word is - they wont.

This is not even considering the owners the Islander have had over the last 25 years

To sum it all up the Islanders have 3 past owners that are currently in prison.

That should be enough on that subject.

2 - Results. Plain and simple people. Winning sells. It sells more than anything else. If the Islanders turned around and won 45 games next season, won a couple of playoff series' and looked good doing it the building would be packed every night for the next 3 years minimum. Season tickets would multiply exponentially and merchandise would fly off the shelves.

Want Proof?

The Yankees come to mind. As much as Yankee Stadium was beloved lets face it. When the Yankees stunk, the place drew 15,000 people per game. They said they would never draw 3 million fans a season. They said the South Bronx could not be a successful venue for baseball any more. They said Traffic issues could not be solved.

All the Yankees had to prove all of the above wrong, was win the World Series in 1996. Then again in 1998, 1999 and 2000. 4 Championships in 5 years.

The Yankees are 9 years removed from their last World Series championship, and they drew 4 million fans last year in that same broken down old stadium with no parking and severly dated facilites.

Now they have an absolute palace to play in. Does anyone think that would have happened if not for the teams success on the field?

The Mets got their new 900 million dollar palace also this past season, probably due to the fact the city was not going to build the Yankees a palace, and let the Mets sit in that toilet Shea Stadium and risk losing the money machine the Mets are.

New York City, the biggest red tape producing, construction blocking city green lit not one, but two monstrous stadium projects totaling over 2.5 billion dollars, all in the same year.

That's not even mentioning the Giants and Jets new stadium which costs reportedly are spiraling up to 2 Billion dollars.

These teams all have one thing in common. They range from very successful to moderately successful on the field.

When they stank, there was no talk of any new stadiums, or it was laughed off by the masses and politicians.

The single most important thing the Islanders can do to speed up the process on their Lighthouse Project is win.

In this case its not "If you build it they will come," its "If you build a winner they will come."

FCT

188 comments:

Chris in DC said...

to be fair, the Jets haven't had much more success than the Islanders in recent years, and historically the Isles blow the Jets away. Heck, technically the Isles are a more successful franchise than the Knicks, if you go by championships.

I agree with you though that the #1 thing is to win. It's easy to forget, but the Coliseum was rocking as recently as 8 years ago, when they had Yashin and Peca and made it back to the playoffs for the first time in a while. Unfortunately that team peaked its first season and never made a deep playoff run.

If they don't mess up this #1 pick, they should have a solid young core to build around. I grew up on the Island but I live in DC now and I've seen the Caps rebuild around Ovechkin, improving off a 59 point season before the lockout to back-to-back 70 win seasons to a first round playoff exit to this year, #2 seed in the East and one win away from the Eastern Finals. And it seems impossible that this team isn't just going to keep getting better. Why can't the Islanders do much of the same thing?

Anonymous said...
This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.
Anonymous said...

Great Post!

Anonymous said...

Please tell me the Islanders are going to take J.T. the papers wont say

Anonymous said...

I could care less about what other sports are doing ...stop dancing around the real isssue.....JUST DRAFT TAVARES FOR GO SAKES ...anything else is unexceptable

Anonymous said...

the 26th is rapidly approaching that day will make the decision for me wether i will be an islander fan or just a hockey fan....Snow better draft Tavares or I will never go to another islander game again

Anonymous said...

бесплатное порно видео малолеток
бесплатно видио порно эротика
порно фото алёны
sex villa пароль
порно маленькие мальчики
бесплатно посмотреть интернет порно
порно элементы
фотомонтаж порно
десткое порно
playboy movies

Anonymous said...

Hello. And Bye.

Anonymous said...

order tramadol online without prescription can buy tramadol online legally - tramadol to order on line

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol tramadol withdrawal emily post - tramadol hcl indications

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol cod online is it legal to get tramadol online - where to buy tramadol in the usa

Anonymous said...

tramadol online where to buy tramadol online forum - buy tramadol in uk

Anonymous said...

tramadol overnight shipping boompanjang blogspot buy tramadol online - tramadol for dogs loss of appetite

Anonymous said...

order klonopin online klonopin withdrawal from .5mg - what's the klonopin high like

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online buy tramadol australia online - cheap tramadol online overnight delivery

Anonymous said...

buy generic tramadol buy tramadol online in uk - tramadol online

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol cod fedex buy tramadol without prescriptions - tramadol zoloft

Anonymous said...

clonazepam medication can you overdose klonopin ambien - klonopin dosage opiate withdrawal

Anonymous said...

order tramadol online mastercard buy generic tramadol no prescription - cheap-tramadols

Anonymous said...

order klonopin online do you gain weight klonopin - get klonopin online

Anonymous said...

generic tramadol online tramadol online doctor consult - tramadol dosage buzz

Anonymous said...

klonopin online klonopin 93 833 side effects - will 4mg of klonopin get you high

Anonymous said...

purchase tramadol tramadol price - tramadol equivalent

Anonymous said...

buy klonopin online will one klonopin get you high - klonopin 2mg overnight

Anonymous said...

ativan anxiety ativan side effects stopping - how many lorazepam 1 mg to get high

Anonymous said...

buy generic tramadol no prescription buy ultram with no prescription - tramadol normal dosage

Anonymous said...

tramadol tramadol 50 mg much take - order tramadol with paypal

Anonymous said...

zolpidem 10 mg buy generic ambien online no prescription - 10mg ambien weed

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online no prescription overnight tramadol hcl vs norco - tramadol ultram dosage

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online no prescription cheap buy tramadol online illegal - buy tramadol injection

Anonymous said...

ambien price ambien cr zoloft - ambien cr how fast does it work

Anonymous said...

generic ambien what is ambien called in mexico - ambien 10mg effects

Anonymous said...

cheap soma online soma kendrick lamar - soma medication for migraines

Anonymous said...

buy ambien online ambien side effects confusion - ambien pass drug test

Anonymous said...

tramadol no prescription tramadol with acetaminophen high - tramadol getting high

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol 100mg tramadol dosage sr - buy tramadol hydrochloride 50mg

Anonymous said...

order klonopin online klonopin side effects fetus - 2mg klonopin no tolerance

Anonymous said...

ambien for sale street value of ambien 10 mg - ambien cheapest online

Anonymous said...

cheap tramadol buy tramadol in usa - buy tramadol 200mg online

Anonymous said...

buy cheap klonopin 2mg klonopin stronger than 2mg xanax - klonopin side effects withdrawal symptoms

Anonymous said...

buy viagra online reviews buy viagra now - viagra 3000mg

Anonymous said...

tramadol without prescription is it legal to buy tramadol online in the us - buy tramadol uk online

Anonymous said...

order tramadol tramadol hcl street price - buy tramadol missouri

Anonymous said...

buy klonopin online generic klonopin good - klonopin mayo clinic

Anonymous said...

tramadol online купить tramadol online - good place buy tramadol online

Anonymous said...

online soma soma san diego serve alcohol - soma shop hyderabad

Anonymous said...

cheapest ambien ambien side effects eating - buy ambien online europe

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online ordering tramadol online legal - buy tramadol cod next day delivery

Anonymous said...

viagra online generic viagra next day delivery uk - viagra where to buy in sydney

Anonymous said...

carisoprodol without prescription buy soma online canadian pharmacy - soma triathlon discount code

Anonymous said...

buy klonopin online klonopin withdrawal .125 - took 2mg klonopin

Anonymous said...

klonopin cost klonopin overdose emedicine - klonopin side effects heart

Anonymous said...

cheap generic viagra should you buy viagra online - viagra online us

Anonymous said...

buy clonazepam klonopin for anxiety dosage - clonazepam klonopin wiki

Anonymous said...

how to buy viagra online without viagra dosage pulmonary hypertension - viagra 50

Anonymous said...

ambien sleep ambien overdose child - ambien price check

Anonymous said...

buy viagra locally buy viagra online south africa - buy original viagra online

Anonymous said...

order carisoprodol online soma drug screen test - buy soma watson pain relief

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online tramadol controlled substance - buy tramadol online with paypal

Anonymous said...

buy ambien ambien dosage limit - ambien cr sleeping pill

Anonymous said...

order soma online ver argento soma online - online pharmacy soma no prescription

Anonymous said...

buy ambien online no prescription where can i order ambien cr online - ambien online australia

Anonymous said...

buy viagra locally buy viagra from canada online - viagra online pay with paypal

Anonymous said...

buy viagra usa viagra from india is the best - generic viagra experience

Anonymous said...

soma no prescription soma drug fun - soma discount code 2010

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online buy tramadol visa - tramadol narcotic high

Anonymous said...

buy viagra online cheap purchase viagra europe - viagra online best sites

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online buy tramadol pharmacy - where to purchase tramadol

Anonymous said...

buy viagra generic online viagra online reliable - buy viagra online south africa

Anonymous said...

buy viagra now cheap viagra super - purchase viagra germany

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol ultram tramadol hcl blood pressure - legal order tramadol online

Anonymous said...

buy propecia when does generic propecia come out - where to buy propecia in ireland

Anonymous said...

tramadol online tramadol hcl recreational dose - 3 50 mg tramadol

Anonymous said...

buy viagra los angeles viagra 80 year old man - buy viagra online los angeles

Anonymous said...

viagra online purchase viagra from india - safest online pharmacy viagra

Anonymous said...

buy cialis with paypal price quote+cialis - cialis daily use price

Anonymous said...

order finasteride buy propecia from canada - propecia results after 10 years

Anonymous said...

order viagra online overnight generic viagra side effects - where to buy viagra in la

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol hcl tramadol for dogs dosage usa - what is tramadol hcl generic for

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol 180 tramadol 50 mg efectos secundarios - where can you buy tramadol online

Anonymous said...

buy propecia online propecia coupon print - propecia results 3 months

Anonymous said...

buy propecia online propecia+60 years old - propecia side effects on pregnancy

Anonymous said...

tramadol online cod buy tramadol 100mg - tramadol ingredients

Anonymous said...

propecia online pharmacy generic propecia cvs - buy propecia brand

Anonymous said...

propecia online propecia results temples - propecia reviews hairline

Anonymous said...

propecia online pharmacy generic equivalent to propecia - propecia pharmacy

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online buy tramadol with cod - suboxone for tramadol addiction

Anonymous said...

buy retin a gel retin a cream acne treatment - buy generic retin a online no prescription

Anonymous said...

strattera pills strattera side effects growth - strattera 40

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol cash on delivery purchase tramadol in usa - tramadol withdrawal time frame

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol can you buy tramadol - tramadol dosage 100 lb dog

Anonymous said...

buy propecia online propecia side effects itchy - can you buy propecia australia

Anonymous said...

propecia no prescription generic propecia singapore - buy cheap propecia no prescription

Anonymous said...

tramadol 50 mg tramadol hexal 100 mg - is buying tramadol online illegal

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online illegal order tramadol online - tramadol for dogs in usa

Anonymous said...

buy strattera online generic medicine strattera - strattera effects

Anonymous said...

tramadol 50 can you buy tramadol over the counter in the us - get high tramadol hcl 50mg

Anonymous said...

order tramadol tramadol dosages humans - tramadol side effects

Anonymous said...

order propecia online propecia patent expiration - propecia best price

Anonymous said...

buy propecia propecia mechanism of action - finasteride no prescription

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol is it legal to buy tramadol online us - buy tramadol online from mexico

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online buy tramadol overnight saturday delivery - tramadol withdrawal cold turkey

Anonymous said...

order tramadol online tramadol dosage 12 pound dog - tramadol prescription

Anonymous said...

tramadol online buy 200 mg tramadol online - order tramadol online us pharmacy

Anonymous said...

tramadol online overdose amount of tramadol - tramadol hcl 93

Anonymous said...

buy viagra online viagra from us safe - purchase viagra 100mg

Anonymous said...

order tramadol online tramadol 50 mg buy online - tramadol hcl is used for

Anonymous said...

buy viagra cheap viagra australia online - purchase viagra sri lanka

Anonymous said...

viagra 100mg buy viagra in usa - generic viagra cost

Anonymous said...

generic cialis buy cialis online south africa - reviews on cialis vs. viagra

Anonymous said...

buy cialis buy cialis singapore - cialis циалис

Anonymous said...

cheap tramadol buy tramadol paypal - tramadol hcl 100mg

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol safe take 2 50mg tramadol - tramadol for dogs pain relief

Anonymous said...

cheap viagra online pharmacy viagra utah - buy quality viagra online

Anonymous said...

generic viagra viagra online is it safe - viagra yohimbe

Anonymous said...

cheapest viagra is it legal to purchase viagra online - purchase genuine viagra online

Anonymous said...

viagra online without prescription buy viagra zimbabwe - how to buy viagra online without

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol buy tramadol in florida - ultram 100mg online

Anonymous said...

generic viagra get viagra online in us - viagra duration

Anonymous said...

viagra online without prescription can you order viagra us - order viagra online pharmacy

Anonymous said...

buy cialis buy cialis from europe - cialis instructions

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol buy tramadol online overnight uk - buy-tramadol.biz

Anonymous said...

viagra online without prescription viagra dosage info - viagra quick tabs

Anonymous said...

viagra online without prescription buying viagra online guide - cheap quick viagra

Anonymous said...

generic cialis how to buy cialis in australia - buy cialis online india

Anonymous said...

sildenafil citrate cheap viagra from us online - viagra purchase reviews

Anonymous said...

viagra online without prescription buy viagra online cheap us - buy viagra los angeles

Anonymous said...

cheap viagra online pharmacy viagra no prescription - viagra online in us

Anonymous said...

viagra online without prescription viagra online canadian pharmacy paypal - viagra online japan

Anonymous said...

generic viagra viagra dosage difference - best place buy generic viagra online

Anonymous said...

cialis cost how to buy cialis in canada - cialis daily use buy online

Anonymous said...

cialis for sale cialis free printable coupon - buy cheap cialis online no prescription

Anonymous said...

buy tadalafil purchase cialis online canada - buy viagra or cialis online

Anonymous said...

buy cialis order cialis online canada - generic cialis good

Anonymous said...

viagra online legal buy viagra online us - viagra online is it safe

Anonymous said...

buy cialis buy cialis online germany - cialis online free sample

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online tramadol 100 mg erowid - can you buy tramadol usa

Anonymous said...

viagra online cost generic viagra us - cheap generic viagra online us

Anonymous said...

buy cialis where to buy cialis online yahoo answers - cialis ed reviews

Anonymous said...

buy soma online order soma online texas - soma san diego tickets

Anonymous said...

buy somas online buy soma online cash delivery - soma pills ingredients

Anonymous said...

buy soma online soma muscle relaxer ibuprofen - soma medication withdrawal

Anonymous said...

buy soma online buy soma pills online - soma bras chicos

Anonymous said...

soma without prescription soma san diego mapquest - soma music venue san diego

Anonymous said...

buy soma online soma drug cost - tramadol soma online

Anonymous said...

soma drug generic soma no prescription - soma bras denver

Anonymous said...

generic soma generic soma 250mg - is ordering soma online legal

Anonymous said...

buy soma online soma labs - soma yelp

Anonymous said...

buy soma soma drug experiences - soma san diego stage

Anonymous said...

order soma soma drug type - interpol soma san diego 2010

Anonymous said...

buy soma soma and alcohol - soma bloomington

Anonymous said...

buy soma online soma for sale omaha - soma bloomington

Anonymous said...

order soma buy soma online usa - soma carisoprodol tablets

Anonymous said...

buy soma online soma brand vs generic - soma pills dose

Anonymous said...

buy soma soma xpress 650b x 38 - soma back bras

Anonymous said...

buy soma images of generic soma - aura soma online store

Anonymous said...

buy retin a retin a acne results - where to buy retin a micro no prescription

Anonymous said...

soma medication soma urine drug screen - soma games

Anonymous said...

tramadol 50mg tramadol vs vicodin high - what is tramadol dosage

Anonymous said...

order soma soma online paypal - soma muscle

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online tramadol hydrochloride overdose symptoms - buy tramadol hydrochloride online usa

Anonymous said...

buy retin-a retin a gel cost - retin a acne products

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol tramadol dosage men - tramadol for depression

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol buy tramadol saturday delivery - buy tramadol online from usa

Anonymous said...

tramadol 50mg tramadol cod online pharmacy - high dose of tramadol

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol cheap no prescription buy tramadol without rx - what is tramadol ultram

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol 100mg online tramadol online fast - order tramadol online without prescription

Anonymous said...

buy retin a cream retin a for acne dosage - can i buy retin a online

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online cheap tramadol next day - order tramadol online overnight shipping

Anonymous said...

buy retin-a online retin a micro gel or cream - buy retin a 1

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online cod buy tramadol cheap no prescription - tramadol 50 mg o 100 mg

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online generic tramadol online - buy tramadol overnight delivery

Anonymous said...

tramadol without prescription tramadol overdose fatal amount - tramadol dosage 12 pound dog

Anonymous said...

cheap tramadol buy tramadol online us pharmacy - order tramadol with paypal

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol online buy tramadol ireland - tramadol 50 mg espanol

Anonymous said...

order tramadol no prescription tramadol online reliable - tramadol high stories

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol in florida just pills order tramadol online - tramadol 50mg pl

Anonymous said...

order tramadol online overnight buy tramadol legally - tramadol yellow pill

Anonymous said...

xanax cost generic xanax without insurance - negative effects xanax

Anonymous said...

tramadol online generic tramadol no prescription overnight - tramadol withdrawal in newborns

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol overnight cod buy tramadol online no prescription mastercard - tramadol 100mg sr

Anonymous said...

buy tramadol no prescription tramadol potentiators - buy tramadol dogs usa

Anonymous said...

tramadol online buy tramadol online no prescription cod - tramadol 50 mg recommended dosage

Anonymous said...

http://landvoicelearning.com/#62431 tramadol purchase online usa - tramadol for dogs in liquid

Anonymous said...

buy klonopin online klonopin withdrawal + duration symptoms - klonopin zoloft alcohol

Anonymous said...

generic clonazepam 2mg klonopin to get high - klonopin withdrawal easy

Anonymous said...

buy klonopin online color generic klonopin - effects of klonopin overdose

Anonymous said...

buy klonopin online klonopin pill - accord healthcare generic klonopin